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any one going self sufficient

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think if you have a 30cm high barrier around the carrots, the fly only flies close to the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    What age are they? They look a bit off laying yet.
    I'd say you were sold 2 RIRs, 2 bluebells and 2 light Sussex.

    Nah I don’t think they’ll be too long. They might take a wee while to settle. The reds are Norwegian Reds similar type thing I think. Let you know soon enough!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭haybob


    Water John wrote: »
    I think if you have a 30cm high barrier around the carrots, the fly only flies close to the ground.


    Raised beds work well but I'd love to plant a good few drills without a pesticide


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Plant a square, shortest boundary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    haybob wrote: »
    Raised beds work well but I'd love to plant a good few drills without a pesticide

    I remember planting garlic & onions in a circle around the carrot rows. Was on raised furrows though too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    East Clare

    I might be after some meat if this goes on. I'm not too far from you :)


    Carrot/onion fly can be dealt with by growing alternate rows of each.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AntrimGlens


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Would they not do you chops etc as well? Why no pork?
    It’s expensive and time consuming but you know what’s in them well worth it. And now you’re in on it

    The wife hates pork!! In fairness we all eat a fair bit of dried pork and cook with chorizo etc. and given self sufficiency times it’s probably worked out ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    You could call it St Patrick's. Didn't he, as a young fellow, mind the pigs in Antrim, when he was a slave there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Started the few ridges today. Anna May would be proud :D
    Still unsure of what to plant but bought a bumper 6 variety pack of courgette/squash as I eat a lot of those & they grow well here.
    Onions, beetroot, probably broccoli/cauliflower too. If I can get turnip thinnings off someone they'll be stuck in as well.

    Rocket/lettuce are in window boxes. Might attempt a small greenhouse too as I found 6 old window panes with frames in the byre.
    Would do a small one for a trial of tomatoes & peppers.

    hthqc58l.jpgOy8NFPil.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Started the few ridges today. Anna May would be proud :D
    Still unsure of what to plant but bought a bumper 6 variety pack of courgette/squash as I eat a lot of those & they grow well here.
    Onions, beetroot, probably broccoli/cauliflower too. If I can get turnip thinnings off someone they'll be stuck in as well.

    Rocket/lettuce are in window boxes. Might attempt a small greenhouse too as I found 6 old window panes with frames in the byre.
    Would do a small one for a trial of tomatoes & peppers.

    hthqc58l.jpgOy8NFPil.jpg

    That's a fairly fresh looking Loy. What's your technique?

    Do you manure the ridges for planting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    gozunda wrote: »
    That's a fairly fresh looking Loy. What's your technique?

    Do you manure the ridges for planting?

    It's about 7/8yrs old, was made especially for Dad, he took a notion of using it in a small garden each year. Unfortunately he's left handed so I'm a bit backwards on it as it's made for him using the left foot.
    Technique is plumb-line, then chop down the straight side line -about 1ft, then across & flip. You can kinda see the lengths I do at a time in the flipped soil. Manure is in the barrow below the garden, have to fling it up to the furrows tomorrow! Will mix some compost in too, don't mind fresher manure on the veg above ground but like compost for beetroot etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Started the few ridges today. Anna May would be proud :D
    Still unsure of what to plant but bought a bumper 6 variety pack of courgette/squash as I eat a lot of those & they grow well here.
    Onions, beetroot, probably broccoli/cauliflower too. If I can get turnip thinnings off someone they'll be stuck in as well.

    Rocket/lettuce are in window boxes. Might attempt a small greenhouse too as I found 6 old window panes with frames in the byre.
    Would do a small one for a trial of tomatoes & peppers.

    mg]

    That’s very neat looking... half thinking of doing something similiar...

    Would you mind telling me what you’ll do next?

    What’s the easiest way of planting spuds into similar ground, with similar machinery (a shovel) ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    That’s very neat looking... half thinking of doing something similiar...

    Would you mind telling me what you’ll do next?

    What’s the easiest way of planting spuds into similar ground, with similar machinery (a shovel) ;)

    I'm making three ridges there, so the furrow in between will be 1ft wide or so. I'll get the spade/shovel (whichever isn't missing) & loosen the dirt in the furrow, then put it on top of the ridge, on top of some straw/dung from the start of winter. The root veg will get a soil/compost mix as I don't fancy using the manure with that! I didn't get doing any veg last year as we were moving house so looking forward to this year.

    I've no idea how to do it with a shovel, I'm sure there's a way :D It's basically just slicing out a square & turning it over. The loy just gives more power & has a longer curved blade to make the job easier. With spuds we just lob holes into the ridge with a fencing post & drop the chittings (sp) in. Spuds are hardy yokes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That’s very neat looking... half thinking of doing something similiar...

    Would you mind telling me what you’ll do next?

    What’s the easiest way of planting spuds into similar ground, with similar machinery (a shovel) ;)

    What you see LH doing can be used for spuds. It's a lazy bed techniques. You can put compost or manure either under the ridge or on top. You can either put the spuds under the ridge before you turn it over or you can set them with a lye if you have one. A lye is a spade with a wooden shoulder on one side for you foot and is narroei than a two sided spade. You need to trim the open side of the scraws you turn over to prevent air (when it is frosty) getting into the sprouted potatoes.

    You earth up the ridges from the forrow where the ridge came from. You will not get ad heavy a crop as when you power harrow and make drills. Try to keep ridges clean of weeds. You can set onions cabbage and turnips on ridges like this. If you want to used ridges like this to grow finer seed crops like carrot, parsnips, lettuce's etc you need to close on the ridges, put your compost on your ridge and cover it all with earth. Again you will not get crops like power harrow and drills but they will grow. weeds are biggest issue

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,894 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Anyone considering potatoes that doesn't particularly like them, I wonder would ye consider Jerusalem artichoke instead for a bit of variety or maca root if you could get it that is.

    I'm told the grandfather sowed Jerusalem artichoke as a windbreak here for raspberries must be 50 years ago. Apparently the are very low maintenance as opposed to potatoes (no spray) and high yielding.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    haybob wrote: »
    Any one have the cure for carrot fly a potion of Jay's fluid
    and sheep dip perhaps.

    Ramble over

    Alternate rows of carrots with rows of onions won’t totally prevent it but sops them smelling the carrots and finding them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Anyone considering potatoes that doesn't particularly like them, I wonder would ye consider Jerusalem artichoke instead for a bit of variety or maca root if you could get it that is.

    I'm told the grandfather sowed Jerusalem artichoke as a windbreak here for raspberries must be 50 years ago. Apparently the are very low maintenance as opposed to potatoes (no spray) and high yielding.

    I have artichoke, oca and Yacon this year plus a load of spuds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭Genghis Cant


    Got the spuds in yesterday. Drills are 30yds long. 3 Rooster and 1 Queens.
    2 drills idle for vegetables. Soil conditions are excellent at the moment. Had it ploughed a few days and ran the harrow through it a good few times over the day with a few hours drying between passes.

    I've a stone or so of Kerrs Pinks, a few rooster, and a few queens ( probably enough to so 5 yds Q , and 15yds R) if anyone wants them in N Offaly you're welcome to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Got the spuds in yesterday. Drills are 30yds long. 3 Rooster and 1 Queens.
    2 drills idle for vegetables. Soil conditions are excellent at the moment. Had it ploughed a few days and ran the harrow through it a good few times over the day with a few hours drying between passes.

    I've a stone or so of Kerrs Pinks, a few rooster, and a few queens ( probably enough to so 5 yds Q , and 15yds R) if anyone wants them in N Offaly you're welcome to them.

    I got 20 kg of golden wonder mains plus a put the same in a few varieties of earlies.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭haybob


    Started the few ridges today. Anna May would be proud :D
    Still unsure of what to plant but bought a bumper 6 variety pack of courgette/squash as I eat a lot of those & they grow well here.
    Onions, beetroot, probably broccoli/cauliflower too. If I can get turnip thinnings off someone they'll be stuck in as well.

    Rocket/lettuce are in window boxes. Might attempt a small greenhouse too as I found 6 old window panes with frames in the byre.
    Would do a small one for a trial of tomatoes & peppers.

    hthqc58l.jpgOy8NFPil.jpg

    Great to see an ancient art
    One of the most beautiful things I've seen in years


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭haybob


    I've sharps express down but main crop not planted yet
    Queens next week
    Pinks records and golden wonder in new ground


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    After seeing Lady Haywire ridges I decide that I would plant a few lazy beds. I made a burst as after the stay at home rules last night the smaller hardware shops would be closed. I got about 20 each of Queens and Pinks. I picked up a few onions and shallots as well as tray of cabbage and lettuce.

    I spend a couple hours doing it this evening below is the way lazy beds are planted. You lay the skelleans ( not sure if the spelling is right) on the ground about 12-14'' apart in two's and ones. You turn the sods in on top of them. Then you close it in I used a shovel to do that.

    Below are the photo's of the different stages. It will be interesting to see how the spuds come on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    After that at the end of the ridges I planted the cabbage. the tray had 12 slots but there was about 17 plants in the 12 pods. Two were very small so I have repotted them for the time being. I Also stuck in a few of the letttuces, I put a few more in a planter pot by the patio door. I will have to break up the top of the ridge to plant the onions and shallots.

    I rooted through the shed and along with the two sided spade which I used I found an old lye ( or loy not sure which spelling is correct). As well I found the head of what in South Kerry was call gruffan( again I am unsure of the spelling). I put up a photo of them as well. Weeds will be the biggest issue so I will have to hoe regular. I will have to earth up the spuds, if I can get a bit if FYM or compost I stick that on top of the spuds as well. I will have to do the onions in the next few days. I had a 4 pea plants inside a window and will put a few more going in soil as well. I found a packet of beetroot seed I am doing a germination test on them

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    My Grandad and Uncle used to set potatoes that way in lazy beds but using a loy like in Lady H pics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Great to be of inspiration :D:pac:

    I planted 4x types of courgette in a repurposed trough yesterday & two types of small squash. They're now under a bit of glass to get some heat into the soil & if it's frosty they'll go into the hayshed at night. Plant out when the weather is more settled. Got leek seeds to attempt as well, never tried growing them before. Chard is also in date so that'll go in too. Found that a very good buffer veg for soups/stew & it just keeps growing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    Looking good Bass.

    What type of cabbage did you manage to get?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Looking good Bass.

    What type of cabbage did you manage to get?

    Greyhound

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Great work lads, DIG FOR IRELAND


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Got my garden ploughed today. He's coming back with the rotovator Tuesday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    Got my garden ploughed today. He's coming back with the rotovator Tuesday

    There isn't nearly enough hardship in that


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  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Eamonn8448


    mines ready for planting now , the old fella has me driven demented , you'd swear it was hay before the rain we were saving with the urgency he demanded, interesting few days , must be 30 years since i used a fergie single furrow and the old howard still working like new after nearly 3 decades rest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    If some of you are looking for a wee bit of guidance on veg and greenhouses, theres a link to a pdf for each in the link below.

    https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/horticulture/vegetables/home-gardeners/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    PoorFarmer wrote: »
    There isn't nearly enough hardship in that

    No way was i digging a quarter acre by hand!
    Going no dig this year. Have a local tree surgeon dropping me loads of woodchip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    So Lady H with the loy and those beds is there a strip of ground underneath that hasnt been disturbed and has the clay from the runs either side on top of it?

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    So Lady H with the loy and those beds is there a strip of ground underneath that hasnt been disturbed and has the clay from the runs either side on top of it?

    Yes

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Yes

    Perfect thanks, so between the two furrows and ridgee the width of the bed would be three shovel heads would it?

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Perfect thanks, so between the two furrows and ridgee the width of the bed would be three shovel heads would it?

    The with of two forrow's is anout 3'6''-3'10'' it really depends on your ability to turn the sod. It was 30 years since I did them so still on a learning curve. I have a size 10 boot and I use three of these and about another 4-5''.


    Are you going doing them in NZ

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    The with of two forrow's is anout 3'6''-3'10'' it really depends on your ability to turn the sod. It was 30 years since I did them so still on a learning curve. I have a size 10 boot and I use three of these and about another 4-5''.


    Are you going doing them in NZ

    No thinking of the 14 day isolation if i get home, however i see an article on the times suggesting to shut Irelands borders.

    Better living everyone



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone have a link to a step-by-step process to plant potatoes??

    Im off for foreseeable future,if i get all little niggly jobs done,boredom might set in and il plant a few!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭haybob


    Anyone any idea where I would get a bag of 8 5 18 + b+s in the clare area
    McInerneys in Ennis dont stock it
    Kerry don't stock it
    Liffy Mills dont stock it

    I'm looking to a boron to poor ground for spuds and turnips


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Anyone have a link to a step-by-step process to plant potatoes??

    Im off for foreseeable future,if i get all little niggly jobs done,boredom might set in and il plant a few!!

    I'm Going no dig. Make beds, plant them a couple of Inches below the surface and cover in woodchips.

    Had a local spud farmer up ploughing my garden who recommended neversink farm on YouTube


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Anyone have a link to a step-by-step process to plant potatoes??

    - prepare ground*
    - lay out seed potatoes;
    - cover seed potatoes;
    - keep butting up as the shoots grow*
    - harvest

    * how you prepare the ground depends on what growing (and harvesting) strategy you want to use. I use my spuds both as a dinner crop and a way of getting patches of ground into good condition after years of neglect.

    For a "neglected" area, in year 1 I clear it with a strimmer, run a rotavator over it a few times, plant my saved-from-last-year marbles in deep drills and pretty much ignore them till the autumn. The potato plants themselves keep most of the weeds down, and I don't worry too much about butting them up because flattening the drills after harvest is extra work.

    If I'm going for quick-and-easy, then I lie the potatoes directly onto previously worked soil (could have been fallow for two years or more) and cover with something organic (old straw-and-manure when I still had it, or more recently grass clippings) and keep topping that up. This is my "no-dig" technique, and also helps to get the soil back into condition for the following year.

    This year, I have one nephew and one niece back in Dublin that are competing to see which of them can grow the best crop from a single potato each (my Christmas present to the family! :D ) They're growing them in big buckets: a layer of soil in the bottom, potato on top, covered with more soil & keep topping up as the plant grows until you run out of bucket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,771 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Glad the clucks are upping their output with the longer days - proper eggs seem to be in very short supply in the shops according to other family members, unless you want to buy rubbish from battery stock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Glad the clucks are upping their output with the longer days - proper eggs seem to be in very short supply in the shops according to other family members, unless you want to buy rubbish from battery stock

    No battery chickens now, barn or free range omly

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    No battery chickens now, barn or free range omly

    I'm getting 4 a day and planning on more birds when my new coop is built


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I have to do something with our chickens.
    They are older and no eggs this year at all, I think they are done. But they were pets for the kids and youngest knows each of the four from each other.

    May have to make space and just increase the flock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    To eat an old hen you really have to boil it not roast it. When I was young, absolutely hated it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We made curried sausages yesterday.

    https://m.imgur.com/a/JxHel3E

    Very tasty 😋


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    _Brian wrote: »
    We made curried sausages yesterday.

    https://m.imgur.com/a/JxHel3E

    Very tasty 😋

    Curried snags a great bush dish out this side, wgat curry did ye use? Can Keen's curry powder be got at home?

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Curried snags a great bush dish out this side, wgat curry did ye use? Can Keen's curry powder be got at home?

    Just used a medium curry powder from Aldi, not curry sauce.


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